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Yes the israelis are not congenial towards the Palestinians, and often seem to obstruct peace as much as the Palestinians; but
there is one fundamental truth difficult to deny:
If the Palestinians put away their weapons and sought peace, the israelis would do the same.
However, if the Israelis were to do such a thing, Palestine and several other countries would march in slaughter every Jew.
The Israelis were allocated a territory by the British government after WWII. They then proceeded to the attack their neighbours in order to expand this territory illegally. To this day the Israelis occupy the lands to which they have no legal entitlement.
If the Israelis really sought peace they would return this land, but why would they when their army is several orders of magnitude superior thanks to being financed by the US?
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There were thousands of Jews in that region before WWII, Jewish nationalists then took the opportunity after WWII to push for a Jewish state, they used every tactic they had at their disposal, from legally buying land form the Palestinians to using terrorism, all the while being attacked by Palestinians and regulated by the British. No one would say it was pretty, or that one side was more humane or moral than the other, but what nation in history has ever been expected to cede over conquered territories? Even so, Israel made a huge concession when it ceded lands, which apparently appeased Palestinians in the least. There is a fundamental difference in respect here, the only scenario acceptable to Palestine, and other neighbors to Israel is their complete eradication. Israel, I'm sure would be welcome to a less extreme measure :P
I think we had that discussion before. Go back to the discussion where I suggested that the US and Mexico will unite, because it makes sense.
Just to summarize, the reason why this will not work is cultural. These are people with traditions and a way of life and paradigms of thought and behaviors and history and nationalistic feelings and all that jazz. You can't just shift them like pawns on a map to the same area and say "Live together in peace and create a government". They just won't. It never happened before - and they did try it. Look at Spain, look at Czechoslovakia, look at Ireland, look at Bosnia, look at Iraq - and tell me that you know what the solution is.
Hey, have you seen what's going on in Gaza these last few days between two factions - the Fatah and the Hamas - trying to rule that piece of land they cherish so much?
-- Arik
Actually, I believe this to be somewhat common knowledge in Denmark where I grew up.
But could be coincidence based on the random people I have met in my life.
Yes, it's absolutely insane. It invokes within me the horrible response of, "How can you demand to be treated equally when you act like animals?" Is that fair? Probably not. But it's how I sometimes feel when I see this type of thing from them.
Sure, Mosad probably had a hand in it. Sure, there are many pressures on them at the hands of the Israelis. But come on -- if you can't keep from killing each other then you can't go to the world and ask for more land, more rights, and more freedom.
Regardless of whether they deserve the judgment or not, they are basically saying to the world that there is a very good reason why Israel keeps them isolated the way they are. If they want to ever escape this treatment they have to show the world that they are above it.
Oh please. I can say with the same amount of validity or actually even greater that Hamas is an Iranian-backed entity.
It's not about being above it or not, what they are doing right now, believe it or not, is culturally acceptable. Now this statement is going to incite some respons, so let me explain: Most people are simple individuals with no political aspirations etcetera and are normative even by our Western standards. The difference is in how far you allow yourself to go to win politically. I'm not an expert, but I think that this is incompatible with democracy.
You were saying something about a one state solution?
-- Arik
The question of how you treat those who seek to kill you is an interesting one.
Who said I can't?