Actually i think his name was "Heath". If you're going to make unfair comparisons, you should probably get the man's name right.
Daniel Miessler
· 1 year ago
Good point -- about the spelling.
How is it unfair? I'm not saying him dying isn't sad. I'm saying that it's dwarfed by the goings on in the rest of the world.
Kirt
· 1 year ago
Because you're implying that they are somehow related by drawing a comparison between them. It's a cheap trick to try to "shame" people by trying to draw a comparison between one American man's death and 40,000 Africans. It also indirectly makes light of his death by using a popular news story as a segway into making your point.
Daniel Miessler
· 1 year ago
No, what I'm saying is that we should feel, at the very least...unfomfortable...for feeling sorry for Heath when tens of thousands of humans are dying under the radar. The entire point of the post was to encourage that uncomfortable feeling.
Did I not do it correctly, or is this your reaction to my being successful?
Kirt
· 1 year ago
Your point is well taken but I think the method you chose is in poor taste. You should tread lightly when using a man's death to prove a point. Or better yet, just don't.
Daniel Miessler
· 1 year ago
Hmm, perhaps you're right...
Anyone else?
Is raising consciousness -- even to this small degree -- worth the offense I've made? Or is the benefit simply too small, or non-existent -- making the whole thing just crass?
Rhine
· 1 year ago
"It also indirectly makes light of his death by using a popular news story as a segway into making your point."
If Kirt is going to point out spelling errors, I think someone should tell him that it's spelled 'segue' not 'segway'.
For the record, a Segway is a two-wheeled motorized personal vehicle consisting of a platform for the feet mounted above an axle and an upright post surmounted by handles. As an intransitive verb, 'segway' is merely an invented word used by people who don't know the true spelling.
My work here is done.
Michael R. Farnum
· 1 year ago
Daniel,
I understand Kirt's point, but I essentially made the same point you are making yesterday when my wife and I were watching some show about Ledger's life and death. I think Ledger was a great actor, I am sure he was a great person, and I do think it is a tragedy for some to die so young. My heart really goes out to his family and especially his little daughter.
However, I made the point that there are thousands of people dieing everyday in tragic situations, and they are not given some show about their lives. It just saddens me when we worship a certain group because they can act, and we give not a crap about some guy who dies in the same situation but was a construction worker.
Derek
· 1 year ago
It's pretty clear to me that Heath Ledger had more of an impact on your average American person than thousands of nameless/faceless people in another part of the world and I don't think the comparison is really fitting.
Both events are tragic, but comparing the two in the reaction they draw from American people is pretty futile considering the "relationship" people had with Heath Ledger as opposed to thousands elsewhere.
This comparison begins to approach the comparison of the death of a family member versus thousands elsewhere. sure, the total sum and reasons of deaths elsewhere is a greater loss, but which one hits home more?
John
· 1 year ago
Maybe the discussion uncovers a harsher truth--America's obsession with celebrities. We somehow think we know these stars and when they die, it's like the death of a member of the family. If we didn't idolize them to the degree we do, maybe we'd have a wider frame of reference from which to view the world.
Dylan
· 1 year ago
The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic. -Joseph Stalin
fij
· 1 year ago
American? Heath Ledger was an Aussie. And 10s of 1000s of people would die every day, all over the world (including America) even if there was no hunger/famine/disease/poverty/whatever. It would be a big newspaper that had room for them all.
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Actually i think his name was "Heath". If you're going to make unfair comparisons, you should probably get the man's name right.
Good point -- about the spelling.
How is it unfair? I'm not saying him dying isn't sad. I'm saying that it's dwarfed by the goings on in the rest of the world.
Because you're implying that they are somehow related by drawing a comparison between them. It's a cheap trick to try to "shame" people by trying to draw a comparison between one American man's death and 40,000 Africans. It also indirectly makes light of his death by using a popular news story as a segway into making your point.
No, what I'm saying is that we should feel, at the very least...unfomfortable...for feeling sorry for Heath when tens of thousands of humans are dying under the radar. The entire point of the post was to encourage that uncomfortable feeling.
Did I not do it correctly, or is this your reaction to my being successful?
Your point is well taken but I think the method you chose is in poor taste. You should tread lightly when using a man's death to prove a point. Or better yet, just don't.
Hmm, perhaps you're right...
Anyone else?
Is raising consciousness -- even to this small degree -- worth the offense I've made? Or is the benefit simply too small, or non-existent -- making the whole thing just crass?
"It also indirectly makes light of his death by using a popular news story as a segway into making your point."
If Kirt is going to point out spelling errors, I think someone should tell him that it's spelled 'segue' not 'segway'.
For the record, a Segway is a two-wheeled motorized personal vehicle consisting of a platform for the feet mounted above an axle and an upright post surmounted by handles. As an intransitive verb, 'segway' is merely an invented word used by people who don't know the true spelling.
My work here is done.
Daniel,
I understand Kirt's point, but I essentially made the same point you are making yesterday when my wife and I were watching some show about Ledger's life and death. I think Ledger was a great actor, I am sure he was a great person, and I do think it is a tragedy for some to die so young. My heart really goes out to his family and especially his little daughter.
However, I made the point that there are thousands of people dieing everyday in tragic situations, and they are not given some show about their lives. It just saddens me when we worship a certain group because they can act, and we give not a crap about some guy who dies in the same situation but was a construction worker.
It's pretty clear to me that Heath Ledger had more of an impact on your average American person than thousands of nameless/faceless people in another part of the world and I don't think the comparison is really fitting.
Both events are tragic, but comparing the two in the reaction they draw from American people is pretty futile considering the "relationship" people had with Heath Ledger as opposed to thousands elsewhere.
This comparison begins to approach the comparison of the death of a family member versus thousands elsewhere. sure, the total sum and reasons of deaths elsewhere is a greater loss, but which one hits home more?
Maybe the discussion uncovers a harsher truth--America's obsession with celebrities. We somehow think we know these stars and when they die, it's like the death of a member of the family. If we didn't idolize them to the degree we do, maybe we'd have a wider frame of reference from which to view the world.
The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.
-Joseph Stalin
American? Heath Ledger was an Aussie. And 10s of 1000s of people would die every day, all over the world (including America) even if there was no hunger/famine/disease/poverty/whatever. It would be a big newspaper that had room for them all.